Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders

According to Bloomberg News, Hillary Clinton is the favorite among small business leaders who normally lean Republican.  This resonates with me as an MBA and a small business owner(actually, it's my husband's business, which I am in the process of stepping away from, but I helped him develop it, and plan to open my own business in the near future).  Hillary has crafted plans that work for small business, particularly her health plan, which allows business owners access to affordable health care for themselves and their employees, while also exempting the truly small business from financing health care for their employees.  The study also finds a majority of small business owners are in support of regulated health care.

According to the report:

MarketTools Inc.'s Zoomerang online survey about the 2008 presidential candidates drew more than 1,000 responses.

Of those, 22 percent said they prefer Ms. Clinton over other candidates in either party. Republican Rudy Giuliani, a former New York mayor, was second, with 17 percent.

The survey suggests a change in attitudes toward health care, a leading issue for Ms. Clinton, 60. As first lady in 1993, she encountered resistance from small-business owners when she led an effort to overhaul the nation's health care system. In the Inc.-Zoomerang survey, 57 percent of respondents said that a regulated system would be good for businesses.

"More entrepreneurs are identifying as independents, and they are more open to Clinton and to regulated health care," Jane Berentson, editor of Inc., said in a statement.



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Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (none / 0)

I think this makes precisely the point that John Edwards has been saying all along. We already have one party in this country whose primary goal is to be "good for business". Isn't it long past time that the Democratic party put people first again?


by desmoulins on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 01:51:02 AM EST

Do you understand the difference between (2.00 / 3)

small business and big business.  Edwards does.


by bookgrl on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 01:58:01 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (2.00 / 1)

Small businesses form the majority of businesses in America, more than half and far outnumbering large corporations. I don't understand why you would try and demonize such an important bedrock of our economy. No one should pit the interests of small businesses against the interests of the rest of America as though it's some sort of zero sum game. One of our goals should be to try to ensure continuing low unemployment by keeping small business owners confident that we're keeping an eye on conditions and that they can continue making capital investments without having to start laying people off.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 04:45:35 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (2.00 / 2)

So, now "small business" is the enemy?  If that is what Edwards "has been saying," an emphatic "NO, THANK YOU."  


by georgep on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 10:44:45 AM EST
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Re: Who's People First is that? (2.00 / 2)

I'm a business owner. I'm an active member of the Chambers of Commerce. I employ 32 people and as much as 40 people during the busy holiday season. And I'm a proud & loyal democrat.

Desmoulin, how old are you? Do you have a job?

This is the type of totally misguided Anti-business rhetoric from some left wing street activists that kills this party.

It is this type of ignorant language used that gives the world " Liberal" a bad name. The sad part is these so called " left wing democrats" have no clue what Small Business & even some major corporations mean to the survival of hundreds of millions of american families.

Desmoulin, do you know that 70% of all americans work for small businesses?

Do your parents work?Do your relatives have jobs? Does your neighboors & friends have jobs?

Where did the money come for you to get educated?

Do you know that America would collapse tomorrow without millions of Small business owners across america?

Do you know that there are thousands of small, medium & large corporations who treat their employees well?

Do you the tremendous PRESSURE many Small business go through EVERY SINGLE DAY just to make payroll?

Do you know that the PRESSURE & RESPONSIBILTY just to survive is MUCH MUCH MORE than any employee?

I assume you don't or you wouldn't be throwing this garbage here.

John Edwards himself was part of a Small business firm as a lawyer.

Unless you are advocating socialism instead of capitalism- you are one lost & confused "democrat".

P.S. If I closed shop for one week due to a slow down, Do you know what one week without a job would do to my 30+ employees & their respective families who depend on them ? Do you know what 30 actually equates to in terms of the number of people being fed by the salary of that 30 employees.

That's 30 different families with 2-6 household members each! Do you know how many would go hungry without this small business job?

Now multiply what I just showed you two hundred thousand times acroos america. Then multiply that by the number of employees & their families.

That's what business owners bring to america & its economy.

And you want to demonize one of the hardest working group of people in america? The same hardworking people who take risks in life & create jobs for people like you !


by labanman on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 12:47:11 PM EST
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Re: Who's People First is that? (none / 0)

great response, thanks.


by CalDem on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 01:26:52 PM EST
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Re: Who's People First is that? (none / 0)

There's a lot of "people like you" and a lot of accusations there. My point was that for a campaign that complains of "mudslinging" when the issues of how to pay for social security or voting for an Iran resolution come up, I should think they would be careful with their language.

Its long past time that the Democratic party stop trying to emphasize that its "on the side of business." If she wants to argue that small businesses are good for jobs, as you do, thats fine, but thats not what she said. Teh article didn't celebrate that she has the support of small business employees; it was that seh was getting the support of small business owners who usually support Republicans.

Now I'm all for winning over Republicans. But before a democratic candidate makes a priority of being "good for business" and winning over republicans, they need to win over Democrats. And I'd like to know that she's concerned with those who work for small businesses, which is not at all what was said.

I find it amusing, and saddening, that every time I post a comment about the need for the Democratic party to emphasize work over wealth adn to speak to and for workers before we speak to and for the wealthy, I get heated responses about how I'm opposed to capitalism, or as in this case, insinuations about my parents. Lets leave them out of this.

And who is that uses Republican talking points?

I remind you that when Bill Clinton ran, his slogan was "Putting People First" and he too emphasized that he was on the side of working people. Until he got in office and made NAFTA a higher priority than health care.

I'd just like to hear, once, that Hillary Clinton thinks that was a mistake.


by desmoulins on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 07:01:43 PM EST
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Re: Who's People First is that? (none / 0)

Who's demonizing who?

How about the value that workers bring to America? Isnt it time the Democratic party mentions that once in a while?

Do you really think your needs are more important than those who work for you? Do you feel a lot of pressure? I'll tell you what, give your business to your employees if its so hard for you. Do you think they work for you because they didn't want to open businesses of their own?

I do wonder what has become of the Democratic party when you can't even remind people that a majority of Americans are not concerned with whats "good for business," that they are concerned with their diminished wages, disappearing pensions, inadequate or non-existent health care, decaying educational opportunities, adn with a political climate in which mentioning any of those things gets you branded "anti-capitalist."


by desmoulins on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 07:05:21 PM EST
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Re: Who's People First is that? (none / 0)

I think you have a lot of studying to do.  Specifically, educate yourself about HOW MANY small business owners there are in this country.  You'll be surprised at the huge number.  BTW, I am a small business of one, a self-employed web designer who struggles with finding affordable, adequate health care for a family of four.    If your comments accuarately reflect the attitude of Edwards supporters and Edwards himself, I fully understand why he is so far behind everywhere and his chance of gaining the nomination is very low.   If Edwards wants to dismiss the needs of the approx. 40 Million small business owners in this country (anyone self-employed belongs in that group, in most states that encompasses people like the guy or gal who does your lawn, plumbing, pest control, home based accounting, almost every mom and pop cleaning service, dog walking service, tree cutter, realtor, babysitter, etc.) he certainly won't be competing for the nomination.  

I guess you have given me yet another reason to prefer Clinton over Edwards, an effort on Edwards' supporters part of cutting his nose to spite his face that makes it easy to look elsewhere and dismiss Edwards as a serious alternative.   If you have enough of us doing that, he'll be on the outside looking in come February 5.


by georgep on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 11:15:09 PM EST
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I saw that and thought it is great- it's like Dodd said in the debate- we need to attract those who have voted Republican as well to ensure victory.


by reasonwarrior on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 03:14:34 AM EST

Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (none / 0)

Thats a cute graphic but I don't understand. IT appears that your point is that its good that Clinton takes money from lobbyists and that its good that she defends the current state of our political system. Well, what precisely do you think is good about a Democrat defending the current state of our political system?

Or do you just like the part where you get to shout down your opponents? Does it make you feel powerful and meaningful to be part of a large group? Does it anger you to have to listen to complicated discussions of issues?


by desmoulins on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 09:59:09 AM EST
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how exactly is Edwards going to change our system? Is he going to get rid of the constitution and rule by fiat? So he doesnt take money from lobbyists... he still takes from special interest. He isnt going to be able to change "government."  Dont u get he's just trying to appeal for votes when he says this crap?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 11:12:04 AM EST
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He's proposed a campaign finance law that would a) restore the cap of $1000 per donor and b) increase the public match to a ratio of 8:1, but only for the first $100. The result would be a system whereby two $100 donors are worth the same as one $1000 donor. It would be a voluntary system but one which would create a huge incentive for campaigns to participate.

He has also proposed that registered federal lobbyists not be allowed to donate to federal candidates. That would greatly reduce the number of people giving a donation the same day they are speaking to an elected official about pending legislation.


by desmoulins on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 01:16:40 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (none / 0)

yawn --


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 02:34:21 AM EST
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Pretty much says it all. Campaign finance reform and lobbying reform and you say "yawn." So I guess you do think the current system is fine and to be defended. Thats something we disagree on.

Good luck campaigning on defending our current political system. I hope you wear lots of Clinton gear when you do.


by desmoulins on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 01:00:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (none / 0)

actually, i'm just realistic.  Its nice to promise all of this, but everyone on here seems to forget that unless there are 60 Dems in the senate, a lot of this stuff isnt viable.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 07:00:02 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (none / 0)

So we give up and accept the status quo? It saddens me that democrats, and MYDD readers to boot, would simply give up on reforming our political process and accept the status quo.

I hope as time goes by you'll find a candidate or a cause who renews your faith and optimism.


by desmoulins on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 07:19:43 PM EST
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no one is giving up, i just dont agree with everything edwards says.

Its just like his "take away Congress' healthcare" talk. Its bullshit, he knows he cant do it, but people dont know he cant do it, so they think its great! but its BULLSHIT


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 12:25:53 AM EST
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Thats fine that you don't agree with Edwards' proposal. What alternative ideas are being proposed?

Has Clinton proposed any campaign finance or lobbying reform? I know she said early on she favored public financing, but I'm under the impression she is not actually participating in public financing and has not proposed anything along those lines.


by desmoulins on Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 02:31:29 AM EST
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answer the question (none / 0)

why don't you answer the question above? The small business owner deserves an answer.


by SF Bay on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 01:30:10 PM EST
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Re: answer the question (none / 0)

I did.

Now answer me this -- is it time for the Democratic party to pay attention to workers again?


by desmoulins on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 07:06:05 PM EST
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Re: answer the question (none / 0)

It should not be an either-or question.  That seems like a rather ridiculous choice to make.   Are you sure you are not confusing SMALL business with BIG business here?   Clinton pays attention to workers, and is BY FAR the preferred choice of Democratic labor union members, you know, the workers.  But, small businesses are mostly the same type of "workers," especially in states where unions are not very strong, like my state Florida, as an example.   Most small businesses here are "businesses of one," the lawn guy, the plumber, the electrician, the drywaller, the paver, the roofer, they are hard workers, many struggling to make a living, pay taxes, pay for health care, get by.


by georgep on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 11:35:04 PM EST
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And those lawn cutters are the ones who usually donate to republicans but are donating to Clinton this time?

George, I know its upsetting, but its an election and people are going to disagree with you.


by desmoulins on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 01:10:19 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (2.00 / 1)

I think that's great. I'm guessing part of the reason she might be favored is that her healthcare plan seems the most likely to get passed and implemented anytime in the future, which would certainly help them contain burgeoning costs in the long run and make them more competitive in the world market.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 04:49:59 AM EST

that's a really interesting finding... (none / 0)

i'm not at all surprised that health care would be driving that...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 09:13:39 AM EST

don't get your hopes up (none / 0)

The Small Business association and Chamber of Commerce entities will fight against the Democratic nominee, even if we agree that a universal health care program would greatly benefit small businesses.

I have been continually amazed by groups that claim to represent small businesses but do not fight for what is obviously in the interests of their members.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 10:51:16 AM EST

Yeah, they suck. But as a small business (2.00 / 2)

owner, I relate to these people from the survey, the majority of whom support regulated health care.


by bookgrl on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 10:59:02 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (none / 0)

Small businesses are key to low unemployment and the economy.  They are the heart and soul of the american middle-class.

I am glad hillary is appreciated in this group.

My two sisters and 1 brother are small business owners - employing about 150 people.

Healthcare is a big issue for them!


by pate on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 12:39:59 PM EST

Re: Hillary Favored by Small Business Leaders (none / 0)

My husband is a small business owner.  We support John Edwards.  I think you can find people from any sub group that support each candidate.  So called "leaders" of various groups who are often self appointed may claim to represent a sub group.  But they have no influence whatsoever over how others in their sub-group vote.  Here in Iowa, I know of no small business owners who support Hillary, but then , I don't know all that many small business owners. So what does this tell you?  Nothing.  Just like the conclusion you can draw from the claim that small business owners suupport her.


by CarolynLFS on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 01:47:09 PM EST

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I expect basically any demographic group to support Clinton.  She is by far the preferred candidate for Deomcratic rank-and-file labor union members, for example.   So, small-business owners should not pose a different picture, since we are from all walks of life, and the vast majority of us are very dedicated worker-bees, usually productive businesses consisting only of 1 or 2 people, sometimes closed-knit family units (i.e. small restaurant or lunch counter,) and most of us are either grossly underinsured or not insured at all - all it takes is just one pre-existing condition for any family member to make the wheels come off the health insurance merry-go-round.


by georgep on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 11:29:07 PM EST
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Don't you have any doctors in Iowa?

John Edwards made over 60 million dollars as a trial lawyer suing doctors, health insurance companies and corporations.  My husband is a doctor, that is a small business.  Edward's $60 million  plus was his salary-he probably had a secretary or two and maybe a para-legal but don't think he paid them their fair share of that mega load.  I know how small business people like my husband feel about this.  Even though my husband has never been sued he still pays higher premiums partially because of trial lawyers.  


Experience Counts-Hillary 08!
by ExperienceCounts on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 02:02:15 PM EST

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Um, I hate to point this out but Senator Clinton worked for years as a corporate lawyer. And she was so concerned about her employees that she was involved in a lawsuit between partners over bilkign the firm. (She was part of the group who sued a partner, so she could get a larger share of the firm's corporate profits.)

She also served, for years, on the board of Wal-Mart. Finally, not that its relevant, but where did you make up the figure about Edwards' wealth? Does it bother you taht Senator Clinton owns two houses in two of the most expensive zip codes in America, worht a total of over $15m. And that she bought them with cash?

It doesn't bother me, but since you raised the issue.


by desmoulins on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 07:09:45 PM EST
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Of course she is favored by business...ANY (none / 0)

businesses.  Penn is a business-oriented, anti-worker, rightwing asshole who has an undue influence on Clinton.  


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sat Nov 24, 2007 at 04:50:07 PM EST

Re: Of course she is favored by business...ANY (none / 0)

You've got to stop this.  He's her pollster.  He doesn't write policy for her.  He's not Rove.  


by bookgrl on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 12:56:49 AM EST
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Re: Of course she is favored by business...ANY (none / 0)

you're uniformed.  have you read his book?

HE was the guy who came up with the POLICY proposals V-Chip, school uniforms, and violent video games and flag-burning.

he is as influential on policy as Rove.  HE is the first person she speaks to every morning.  Google it.

Mark Penn is dangerous and the Clintons are NOT progressives.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 01:03:41 AM EST
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Re: Of course she is favored by business...ANY (none / 0)

Ok, the flag burning proposal Hillary sponsored was a compromise amendment supported by Boxer and Obama.  The school uniforms idea never bothered me.  It saved money and grief for lower income families, and having gone to private school with uniforms, I think it is less distracting for young people, the video game labeling, yeah, so? Parents like to know what they are buying their kids.  Hillary's policy proposals and stances are decidedly liberal.  There is no indication that her policies align with Penn's personal views.  


by bookgrl on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 01:10:14 AM EST
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Re: Of course she is favored by business...ANY (none / 0)

Read.  His.  Book.  

Then decide.  NIce defense, btw.  But it's 2007.  Little silly ideas are not going to make anyone inspired.  

But do not get me wrong, I do not hate her or think she's the devil like many immature people here and elsewhere.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 01:14:36 AM EST
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Re: Of course she is favored by business...ANY (none / 0)

"Little silly ideas?"  I'm talking about her long standing record of proposals and policies.


by bookgrl on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 01:16:55 AM EST
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